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    Cryptocurrency Daily Discussion - June 7, 2021 (GMT+0)

    Daily Discussion - June 7, 2021 (GMT+0)

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 05:00 PM PDT

    Welcome to the Daily Discussion. Please read the disclaimer, guidelines, and rules before participating.

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    Though karma rules still apply, moderation is less stringent on this thread than on the rest of the sub. Therefore, consider all information posted here with several liberal heaps of salt, and always cross check any information you may read on this thread with known sources. Any trade information posted in this open thread may be highly misleading, and could be an attempt to manipulate new readers by known "pump and dump (PnD) groups" for their own profit. BEWARE of such practices and exercise utmost caution before acting on any trade tip mentioned here.

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    President of El Salvadore on twitter: No Capital Gains taxes to be paid for Bitcoin, and Permanent Residence (greencards) will be granted for crypto entrepeneurs!

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 06:53 PM PDT

    First Bitcoin Billionaires Winklevoss Twins On Bitcoin: "We’re HODLers Until At Least $500,000”

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 11:14 AM PDT

    New peeps and vets: open vault so we can send moons.

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 04:48 PM PDT

    Ok so in order to get any moons ever from this sub you need to open your reddit vault.

    In the app at home screen pull from left and access the vault, then open.

    Once done if you make a comment, others can tip you moons.

    I see many new faces and older faces with no vault. I often want to send 1 or 2 to help get someone off 0 but cant.

    Open vaults to receive moons

    Edit: kinda spent almost 2 and half hours giving moons out. Its 3:26am now so have to try and sleep. (For real this time)

    P.s 3.48 phone buzzing like nuts and im not dozing yet. Ill distribute some more tomorrow . anyone wishing to help me can rest assured it will be redistributed.

    10 moons from u/its_ya_boi_wulf

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    New to CryptoCurrency/Blockchain and want to learn about Finance and Economics? Here are some FREE Educational Courses on Finance, Economics, CryptoCurrency, and even Math and Law (US). Spend the Summer learning, for free.

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 04:07 PM PDT

    Last month I made a post about Free Educational courses on Learning to become a Developer. The post became very popular and I hope it inspired many people to begin down that path, as they CryptoCurrency industry certainly could use more developers!

    One thing the CryptoCurrency industry could also use more of, is Finance and Economy experts. Because of this, I decided to compile another list of Free Educational courses on Finance, Economics, and related topics.

    As with the previous post, all courses listed here are Free to take, and come with Free Certificates of Competition or Digital Badge equivalents. The main providers are Saylor Academy and National Paralegal College.

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    Finance

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    Economics

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    CryptoCurrency / Blockchain

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    Bonus: Math

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    Bonus: Law (US-only)

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    Happy learning friends!

    (Note: If you have additional Educational Resources, please post them in the comments and I will update this list accordingly.)

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    Max Keiser caught lying. Claims he bought a home in El Salvador. The home is actually in Costa Rica. BTC needs to rid itself of these charlatans

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 12:44 AM PDT

    Max Keiser caught lying. Claims he bought a home in El Salvador. The home is actually in Costa Rica. BTC needs to rid itself of these charlatans

    This guy is single handedly bringing BTC a bad name. After the absolute clown show in BTC conference, he seems to be doubling down on his shenanigans.

    He now claims he bought a home in El Salvador to show support for the country's pro- Bitcoin policies. Max claims to have bought a $729k home in El Salvador

    However this is not even in El Salvador.

    This home is listed for sale in Costa Rica

    https://www.point2homes.com/CR/Home-For-Sale/Puntarenas/Garabito/Playa-Hermosa/Valle-Perdido/Modern-Oceanview-Costa-Rica-Home-in-Gated-Community/102074297.html

    Now why would he lie so shamelessly to the public?

    While BTC does not have any leadership, the Maxis who have self appointed them as suo moto leaders of the space are a complete joke. Maxis are simply a disgrace, both with their toxic ideology as well as how they portray themselves to the outer world. People have a hard time seeing crypto/BTC as legit, because of the actions of a handful of Maxis like this guy. They are no better than those like Musk who are manipulating the space for their personal self greed. BTC needs to clean itself of this kind of maximalist infection in order to grow.

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    If you lose money people will think you’re an idiot. If you make money no one will want to hear about it.

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 11:52 PM PDT

    Bitcoin's biggest threat is it's culture

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 05:54 PM PDT

    I've been a believer in and a holder of bitcoin for a few years now. I enjoyed taking the time to read and learn about the technology behind it. Setting up wallets and discovering new ways to use it. I invested some money in it and watched with glee as the price went up and up and up. However, this weekend's event in Miami has revealed a major flaw that has snapped me back to my senses. The culture.

    Previously, when I would read people criticizing bitcoin outside of crypto subs, I would usually think to myself, "This idiot just doesn't get it yet. They haven't taken the time to learn and they will regret it later. Have fun staying poor" etc. Now I'm starting to realize, I'm the one who didn't get it.

    FOMO

    Among the many brilliant minds speaking at the bitcoin conference, we have Dan Held, Director of Growth Marketing at Kraken.

    Bitcoin has something called "Number go uptm technology"

    People will buy in anticipation of the price continuing to climb. This is called FOMO.

    FOMO is an emotion that's frequently mentioned on this sub and those that have been around for a while often try to coach newbies on how to avoid falling victim to it. And here we have someone responsible for leading crypto marketing strategies, explaining how this fear of missing out is THE path to mass adoption. This is the public strategy and this is the lens that the mainstream world sees bitcoin through. Here is a guy who bought in for 10 dollars, and is openly admitting he will exploit my emotions to get me to pay $35,000 (and much, much more) for it. And why should I buy it? Because price goes up forever.

    That's it. That's the utility being sold. But who benefits the most from this number go uptm technology? The new guy who bought .5 BTC at $35k or the guy who bought thousands at $10? Even if new adopters end up loosing most of their money, those that got in years ago still won big. The more they can stoke this fear, the bigger they win.

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    Toxic Maximalism

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    If you're against Bitcoin toxicity, you're against Bitcoin. And if you're against Bitcoin, you're against freedom.

    What a complete load of nonsense. I was already well aware of Bitcoin's toxic culture, but I always assumed this would fade away out of necessity of the bigger goal of mass adoption. Instead I see it's being embraced and encouraged. A toxic culture is completely antithetical to freedom. Any discussions of other cryptocurrencies in a positive way is not a topic allowed for discussion on their sub or at this weekend's event. I would argue that this toxicity leads to a very centralized point of view that is controlled by those with the most influence in the culture. I thought that a culture that constantly espouses decentralization would encourage the free expression of ideas. I was wrong. Even Erik Voorhees was booed for calling this out as bullshit.

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    Add to this the many other widely circulated clips that make me cringe with embarrassment, and I now understand why those that don't get sucked in by the technology or by FOMO just see bitcoin as a bunch of charlatans peddling snake oil. This felt more like watching a tent revival than a celebration of a new technology that could revolutionize our financial system.

    This isn't just the opinions of a handful of zealots who are not representative of the culture. These are influential voices that were given a spotlight and widely applauded. These ideas are widely shared and have found strong consensus on social media.

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    I know, I know. Bitcoin doesn't care what I think. Bitcoin has El Salvador now and the number goes up technology works just fine without me. But if Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency is going to truly succeed, it's not just the technology that needs to be able to scale. The culture has to be able to scale as well.

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    The vision of Nano - an instant, feeless and green crypto. (Micro)payments, remittances, donations, and a secure store of value for everyone.

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 01:11 AM PDT

    Upvotes are not only about moons - it helps visibility for content - Technical, Helping posts should be appreciated instead of shitposting.

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 03:18 AM PDT

    My request: If you really want to downvote a post, please provide some information why. Content creators are getting heavily discouraged about no-reason downvote waves and it hurts everyone. If you provide feedback or critics, then you help the content provider to improve.

    I am really starting to get angry about the current sentiment of this sub. EVERYTHING is downvoted instantly as soon as it's posted or commented. I go through the posts by new and 80% of the comments are sitting with 0 or -1 because of the downvoting bots or users, I can't decide.

    You see posts with 15-25-30 comments and 1-2 upvotes only and every time I refresh on them, they go back to 1 or 0, constantly downvoted regardless of the content.

    I upvoted everything so far which wasn't harassment or negative attitude towards the others, because I wanted to counter these "attacks", but it looks like a lost battle. If it's not a controversial post about moons or a sob story (I like some of them too to be honest) then it won't reach front page.

    Posts about tech or news barely reach anything. Please if you like a post support it, not just comment, because it won't get any exposure and won't reach more users.

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    Paraguay Hints at Making Bitcoin a Legal Tender After El Salvador

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 01:13 AM PDT

    NOW, A Congressman from Paraguay changed to laser eyes and has said a Bitcoin and Paypal announcement is coming this week!

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 09:41 PM PDT

    NOW, A Congressman from Paraguay changed to laser eyes and has said a Bitcoin and Paypal announcement is coming this week!

    Carlos Rejala, a Congressman from Paraguay has now said an announcement is coming about Bitcoin this week.

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    Post by Carlos Rejala

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    As I was saying a long time ago, our country needs to advance hand in hand with the new generation. The moment has come, our moment. This week we start with an important project to innovate Paraguay in front of the world! The real one to the moon btc & paypal

    More about this guy: http://silpy.congreso.gov.py/parlamentario/100771

    Are South American countries that have in recent decades depended on the USD waking up to the relentless printing of money ? US regulators and state agents can deny inflation all they want, but for countries that depend on USD, adding 50% of supply in the last year alone makes a big change to their macro outlook. Did US regulators and economists not think about how others will be affected? When $1.9 Trillion is printed, those who don't get any share from the new print are affected adversely.

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    [META] It's a little sad to see this community shitting on the BTC Conference after seeing a few clips go viral. This community avidly defended crypto FUD last month but seem to be falling for it this month

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 06:40 PM PDT

    I'm sure many of you have seen the clips that have gone viral from BTC's Miami Conference.

    • Max Keiser tearing up $10 bills, baptizing people and screaming on stage like a lunatic

    • The disgusting "BTC Toxic Maximalism is freedom" garbage

    • The kid that jumped on stage to scream "DOGE to the moon!"

    • Floyd Mayfeather attempting to say another coin may pass BTC and getting booed for it

    The thing I want to point out that should be obvious, is that the BTC Conference was a multi-day event with dozens of speakers. There was 8 hours of live streamed content every day. People discussed topics like

    • Macro economics

    • Mining and green mining

    • Market structure and how to invest safely

    • Morality of Crypto and driving sentiment

    • Growth and Adoption

    • On chain analytics

    • BTC for billions, NOT billionaires

    • How to build a BTC bank

    • Banking the unbanked

    • History of money

    • How to profitably mine at home

    • Fiat Fascism VS Bitcoin Sovereignism

    • What to do if your country bans BTC

    • What happened in 1971

    • How to avoid excess taxes on BTC

    • How to make Texas BTC friendly

    • BTC ETFs

    • Lightening network and instant settlement

    On top of all this we heard very inspiring stories about how BTC is changing lives around the world. Scott Harrison's clean water for Africa charity using BTC.

    Jack Mallers was so emotional talking about El Salvador and how he believes switching to sound and hard money will help empower the underprivileged. It was inspiring to see how much he truly cares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59hrgTiRJU

    There was SO MUCH good and quality stuff that came from this conference yet the r/cryptocurrency community is treating it like it's the enemy and not an ally bc some maxis pissed them off.

    The lesson here is to not fall for headlines. Similar to how you all looked passed the mass media FUD last month, I encourage you to look passed it again and see what really took place in Miami.

    https://www.youtube.com/c/BitcoinMagazine/videos

    Above is the channel that posted each panel as a separate video so they're easier to find. I suggest some of you watch them and see how calm, educational, rational and interesting many of the panels were.

    Last thing- I can't find the clip (someone help) but the toxic maxi crowd was ridiculed by the panel that followed them and that got cheers from the crowd. Something that obviously won't go viral bc vitriol and mockery is entertaining, but truth isn't.

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    Under absolutely no circumstances take a loan to buy crypto or take a loan instead of selling crypto

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 12:46 AM PDT

    I've just seen this thread and it is such bad advice that I wanted to make a counter-thread: If you need to liquidate your crypto, consider borrowing fiat instead of selling. Long story short: if you assume (!) your crypto holdings increase in value at a rate of 20% per year, you would be better off taking a loan with 14% interest instead if you want to buy something and don't have enough fiat.

    This is a really, really bad idea. Sure, if you crypto grows 20% a year you would have more money that way, but 1) your crypto could go to zero and 2) you could lose your source of income and be unable to pay off the loan.

    Sure, there are situations where you have to take a loan. But if you don't have to and have crypto you could sell instead, definitely do this. Of course buying crypto is always risky, but most of us know that our crypto could go to zero and invest accordingly. Taking a loan and keeping your crypto instead breaks the "don't invest more than you can afford to lose" rule (actually you already made this mistake at this point, but you're ruining your chance to compensate for this mistake, thanks u/MyNameFitsPerfec for pointing this out), do. not. do. this.

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    Miami Mayor uses Algorand wallet and demostrates how fast and easy it is to transfer funds!

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 02:37 PM PDT

    Ok market manipulators, Btc volume looks to be the lowest it’s been this cycle. The whales have stoped accumulating. You can let the price go up now...

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 01:43 PM PDT

    Hey manipulators! The whales seem to have finished accumulating what little they waned to accumulate, you can let the price go up now. Volume looks to be the lowest it's been at least since the peak.

    (Apparently whales bought back 50 000 btc after selling 130 000. If my maths works out, that means the whales bought back a bit under half their bags for about 1 quarter the sell out value of their portfolios and cashed out 3 quarters of the portfolio value. solid move whales.)

    Anyway, for the rest of us, now that they have finished buying and you manipulators somehow kept the price low while they did that, can you let it go up now?

    Manipulators? Can you hear me?

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    Best DD ever part 2 - my mom rates crypto based on their logos

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 01:42 AM PDT

    So you may have seen my last post about my mom rating the top 10 cryptos by their logos… well she's back!

    To resume, my mom got a little bit into cryptos, she don't understands it and she only buy based on their logos (and eventually the name). So I wanted to share her amazing knowledge with y'all!

    For this one, I took some suggestions from y'all under my last post as well as some of my fav (and some of hers). If you want another one, let me know which one below for the next time!

    Let's go

    1 - MATIC

    Not bad, but not amazing either, the "S" looks like the S young people did in the 90s, shade on the logo makes it look like the moon so that's pretty nice

    8/10

    2 - TEZOS

    (Her absolute favorite, first crypto she ever bought). Looks very beautiful, simple yet efficient, police chosen is amazing

    11/10

    3 - ALGO

    Meh, it's fine, nothing very original about it, just a basic logo, not very attractive

    5/10

    4 - MONERO

    Color choices are definitely not the best, however great design, looks a bit like wolf ears

    6.5/10

    5 - MAKER

    She likes it, original design, great color choice, it's green so even if it's going down, the logo gives you hope it'll be in the green soon.

    8.5/10

    6 - xMOONS

    Kind of looks like cheese, not really like the moon, the holes in it makes it look like it's doing a concerned " :o " face, not bad.

    7/10

    7 - NANO

    Nice color choice, the dots in the logo looks like that "connect the dots" game, very simple but also different from the others, it's nice

    8/10

    8 - VET

    Probably one of the worse logo in her opinion, same as said in the previous post, a kid could've made it on paint with windows 95, only the color raise the grade a little bit

    3.5/10

    9 - SOL

    Pleasant to the eyes, the gradient of colors are a nice touch, nothing much to say but it's nice

    8.5/10

    10 - ATOM

    Very "scienty", make sense knowing the name of the coin, however, not very original

    7/10

    And that's it for today! I'll bother her with this some more if you like it and you want more! As said before, let me know below which coin you want her to rate!

    To resume, 1st place for TEZOS, 2nd tied for maker & SOL and 3rd place tied again for MATIC & NANO

    This is totally financial advice

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    I bought BTC

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 01:50 AM PDT

    Hi guys,

    Since I started crypto in January, I only bought alts and ETH (and shitcoins), because I thought that BTC price was too high. But since few weeks, I understand that BTC will always be here with ETH. So now I will buy BTC and ETH often, and less in the alts.

    I bought 0.002 BTC today. This is something different to hold this coin, I don't know how to tell but this is more sure I believe. I can't imagine what is it to hold 1 BTC.

    Thank you for reading guys.

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    Debunking Elon's Influence on the Cryptocurrency Market

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 05:30 PM PDT

    Debunking Elon's Influence on the Cryptocurrency Market

    I analyzed he who musk not be named influence using his tweet sentiment related to price action and trading volume. Many people think he is able to freely manipulate cryptocurrencies via his tweets. Some even use his tweets as a basis for financial decisions. But does he really have this power?

    Methods (feel free to skip this part)

    • I used a python package, Twint to extract all of his comments since 2018 and sort them by cryptocurrency-related replies or mentions.
    • I used Textblob, a python package that uses natural language processing to conduct sentiment analysis.
    • Some tweets are links to images, so I did some manual cleaning afterward.
    • I then extracted historical prices—calculated price changes in daily, three days, and weekly intervals—and matched them to the dates of the tweet.
    • Finally, using polarity and sentiment scores, I conducted an analysis of variance (ANOVA) test.
    • The next steps would be correlation metrics if there was a statistical difference among the data sets. If none, the analysis ends.

    Results

    A look into what are positive and negative tweets

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    https://preview.redd.it/mztpwej3nq371.png?width=2186&format=png&auto=webp&s=05168ec144dfa57279cddb59c6eedfccb61e04f0

    • Since 2018, he tweeted about Bitcoin 42 times and about Doge 72 times.
    • The analysis proved that there was no relationship between his tweets and the price actions of the mentioned cryptocurrencies.
    • This was also true for the trading volume.
    • Lastly, this was true for all timeframes: daily, three days, and weekly. None of the time frames were significant but the three-day frame made the most sense. So, I'll be using it for plotting the data.
    • Interactive data visualization; showing you the plots with the tweets as well as other info.

    Tweet Polarity and Bitcoin three day returns

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    https://preview.redd.it/ywtz0br4nq371.png?width=1910&format=png&auto=webp&s=1afbfe0f9e1a1020f944eb6332fa9eae7f0a2b61

    • With this, you're looking for linear patterns. In particular, one's that skew in a direction.
    • What you get are scattered plots. In other words, a positive tweet doesn't always result in a positive price change and vice versa. Let's take a closer look:

    Tweet Sentiment and Bitcoin three day returns

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    https://preview.redd.it/5ebyz5a6nq371.png?width=1910&format=png&auto=webp&s=068e1a8524eafead2ac45115daa84089c98f863c

    • This should give you a clearer picture since the tweets are categorized into positive, neutral, and negative.
    • If there was a correlation, what you should be seeing here is that the dots on top (positive) would be on the right and the bottom (negative) on the left.
    • What you get are distributed dots regardless of positivity/negativity. Again, a positive tweet doesn't always mean a positive price change and vice versa.

    Discussion

    Now that we've figured out that there is no relationship between his tweets and cryptocurrency price action, the question is: why have people made these connections in the first place?

    Well, you could take a deeper look into his tweets. Two famous tweets in particular: Tesla buying Bitcoin (+19.25% on the day) and Tesla no longer accepting Bitcoin (-12.6% on the day). One way or the other, these were tweeted before bullish and bearish swings, respectively. So human nature suggests that people will make these connections or patterns.

    The fact is: Tesla buying and not accepting Bitcoin is news. And news moves people who then move markets. He posts a lot of 'news' related to cryptocurrencies. Sometimes it hits big; other times, it barely makes a dent or doesn't make sense at all.

    Hitting a home run a couple of times; doesn't make you a good batter. For example, on March 24, he announced "you can now buy Tesla with Bitcoin," and the market reacted with a -5.8% after three days. He's also said some positive things such as "SpaceX is going to put a literal Dogecoin on the literal moon". How did the market react? Nothing much: -0.5 on the daily and -0.9% after three days.

    Tl;dr

    He hits the headlines. That's the truth. People like to talk and to post about him. Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, or Reddit; none of it matters. He is an influential person, that's for certain. But the conversation regarding his relationship with crypto should end there. There's really no point in drawing patterns where there are none.

    You can speculate as much as you want but they're really just hit or miss. Do his tweets impact price changes? No. Do his tweets increase trading volume because of trading bots? No. Should you base your financial decisions on his tweets? No. Should we move on from myth? Yes. Will people move on from this myth? Unlikely. But the truth doesn't care about how people look at it. Do what you will with this information.

    This is my first and, hopefully, last post about him. Peace.

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    Edit: Reposted after being removed due to the limitation algorithms

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    ATA didn’t go up 4000x, so don’t go all in

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 03:19 AM PDT

    There has been a lot of fuss about ATA coin going a massive 4000%+ .

    This is not true so dont go yoloing in it and FOMO. This is completely normal when Binance launchpad is released.

    Automata Network is a decentralized service protocol that provides a privacy middleware layer for dApps across multiple blockchains. The protocol enables several use-cases such as Anonymous Voting and Miner Extractable Value (MEV) Minimization by leveraging the latest cryptography and privacy-protecting algorithms, along with Trusted Execution Environments (TEE). ATA is the native utility token of the Automata Network and has the existing and planned use cases.

    Don't FOMO, keep your wits and invest smart! It may be a good project but dont let the numbers trick you!

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    I'm not sure if it's real or out there in the wild....

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 12:38 AM PDT

    Has anyone ever created a minecraft style came where if you mine blocks in the game you are also mining a specific cryptocurrency? Like when you're mining in the game you are actually earning a coin that goes into your wallet. Has anyone tried to game-a-fy crypto mining yet? Is that possible? It would be great to spend hours in a game creating cool while while simultaneously earning money. Sorry, just a random thought I had while in middle of my Japanese language class 😅

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    After El Salvador, Paraguay Hints at Bitcoin PayPal Project

    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 02:08 AM PDT

    Bitcoin may be legally classed as 'Money' in the US if officially recognized as legal tender by El Salvador.

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 09:23 AM PDT

    According to Andrea Tosato, a lecturer and researcher on commercial law at the University of Nottingham, Bitcoin may be legally classed as money in the US if recognized as legal tender by El Salvador under UCC § 1-201.

    I am no expert on law, but this seems to warrant discussion. What implications would this have on taxes in the US on Bitcoin?

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    Apple announcing crypto emojis would move the price more than El Salvador did

    Posted: 06 Jun 2021 04:15 AM PDT

    Always surprises me what moves crypto, stupid tweets by Elon and Chinese regulation rumors cause massive price swings but strong evidence of mass adoption and its like nothing happened? maybe we just need america to wake up?

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