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    [Daily Discussion] Tuesday, December 19, 2017 Bitcoin Markets


    [Daily Discussion] Tuesday, December 19, 2017

    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 08:05 PM PST

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    Literally every single alt on the top 100 list of coinmarketcap.com is in the green

    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 08:49 PM PST

    https://coinmarketcap.com/

    what to make of this? Except for the market divesting en-masse from Bitcoin and placing their bets on the alt-ponies?

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    We Built A Better Version Of coinmarketcap With Real-Time Price Movements! Feedback Please!

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 05:42 AM PST

    Hi guys, we're really committed to bringing the best resources for the community to use, that's why we made a site with real-time price updates on Bitcoin and hundreds of other cryptos - feedback would be great :)

    https://www.livecoinwatch.com/price/Bitcoin-BTC https://www.livecoinwatch.com

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    Hodler here: The problem I never thought I'd have

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 01:32 AM PST

    It's been so much easier to stay cool with the up and downs when there wasn't so much money involved. Back then HODLING was easy because we knew, the technology is revolutionary and something big WOULD happen.

    At least we were like 65 % sure, Crypto would go to the moon. Something big HAS happened.

    Now we ARE at the moon and the 500 Dollar Monopoly playmoney some of us put into Crypto turns into carbuying and housebuying money. Islandbuying for some. Some could be rich but sold most of their Crypto, AND STILL those fractals turned into nice sums.

    Back in the old days, when the price DROPPED, it was easy to hold. But now I find, that for some reason, when the price rises it's ALSO difficult to hold.

    How do you guys deal with this? When play-money becomes "Fuck-I-really-don't-want-to-lose-that" money?

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    A small theory on dips. Input/discussion/criticism is appreciated.

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 09:34 AM PST

    https://i.imgur.com/KbW0fSs.png

    There have been about 4 dips over the past month. With every dip, some whales understandably fear losing their nest egg and decide to sell a fraction of their coins. With the arrival of so much new blood in the market, this is likely dispersing coins and lowering the average number of coins that each person owns. At the same time, the people with very few coins don't panic during the dips because the amount they own is not significant or life-changing. So the little guys end up "surviving" the dip and ride the rebound, and they'll keep doing this until one day they become the whales themselves. This results in a repeated pattern of dips and dispersements that is healthy for bitcoin and helps it spread without massive corrections. I see the dips as necessary growing pains. The more often they occur, the smaller they'll be and the less volitile the price action becomes.

    In the same train of thought, I believe this pattern also reduces the percentage of whales in the market as time moves forward. Consider "whale" to be someone who just owns significantly more coins than the majority. Every time a whale takes profits in a dip, 1 person shrinks and maybe 10 people grow. By definition, their chances of ever becoming a whale are reduced simply because of their company. Over time, this chance tends toward 0.

    If we continue to have frequent dips, I don't see the price retreating back to the previous dip's low because the whales that put us at that level are gone. And if the price doesn't retreat back to the previous dip's low, then it means we're not in a bubble. Though, there's always a chance that some catastrophic crypto event crashes the market.

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    Crypto Moonshot Poll for 2018 [Survey]

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 08:10 AM PST

    List of fiat:crypto pairs?

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 09:43 AM PST

    Does anyone maintain a list of all the fiat:crypto pairs across exchanges?

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    What is a "rate of change" wrt to time graph called? Good source to see them?

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 09:37 AM PST

    I am looking for a graph that shows the rate of change of a crypto with respect to the previous time block; preferably with a time setting that I can change (for example rate of change per last 1 hr 12hr etc).

    The closest I have found is cryptowat.ch which does show a rate of change graph, but it seems to be with respect to a point in time within the past 24h which is not quite what I want.

    FOR EXAMPLE:

    Coin A goes from $1 to $3 in the first hour; remains at $3 for the 2nd hour; and goes to $2 in the third hour.

    What I want to see:

    A graph that shows +300% in hour 1, 0% (on the x-axis) at hour 2 since the change with respect to the previous hour is 0; and -33% in hour 3, since the change with respect to the previous hour (hour 2) is -$1.

    Is there a name for this type of graph? Good place to see this?

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    Which exchanges/wallets to use?

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 07:18 AM PST

    Considering how things have been going lately, which exchanges would you suggest to use for BTC, ETH, as well as different altcoins? Will I have to use a couple?

    Which wallet would you suggest I use as well? Is there one that is compatible with all coins?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Trailing stop w/ trigger on Bitmex?

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 05:22 AM PST

    Hey guys, is there any way to create a trailing stop order, but does it only start when it hits a certain value? like in okex..

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    Life Pro tip: don't tell people you trade cryptos, they'll right away assume you're rich and rich only out of pure chance not merit

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 05:17 AM PST

    In such a case people you won't believe are capable of it will try to take money from you in all sorts of ways.

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    Anyone know a place I can filter coins by date of creation/launch date?

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 07:13 AM PST

    The proper way to track the cryptos prices

    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 10:27 AM PST

    We're launching the app that will be totally free with no ads, it's going to have cryptos in it too. So subscribe for the beta and share any feedback or questions you have. http://wealthtrack.io

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    Do whales Buy/sell to themself to manipulate markets?

    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 03:11 PM PST

    Is this what is happening with the most pumps? Someone sets to sell XX Bitcoins at price(say 10% higher than market) and then they sell from their other account for that price, and it gives us a one big green candle and noobs be like "the ship is taking off, let's hop aboard!"... and the price starts going up and the whales are dumping at that time with a profit(or trying to provoce an even bigger pump)

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    Question regarding Kraken.com borrowing limit

    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 06:50 PM PST

    Hi, I am confused about the tier 3 Kraken borrow limit for margin trading.

    On their website it says, that Tier 3 can borrow up to 25,000 USD and 25,000 EUR: https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/209238787-Margin-borrow-limits

    I have 27,000 funds and wanted to place a 60,000 margin order but it says: Your order exceeds your margin limit. This is when I searched for the limit and found the 25,000 limit.

    But the system lets me place a 50,000 order at 5:1 leverage. As I understand, my margin for this order will be 10,000 but I can only borrow 25,000 which is a total of 35,000. So, will the other 15,000 be taken from my funds? This would make this basically a 2:1 leverage order, or did I miss something?

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    BitMEX and taxes. How do you calculate your loss or gains?

    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 12:43 PM PST

    This is confusing to me. If I leveraged 1BTC @ 5x and earned .5BTC, how do I calculate that when/if I cash out?

    Conversely, if I leveraged 1BTC @ 5x and lost it all, how do I figure my losses?

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    I wrote a summary of similarities and differences between crypto and stock markets. Is this one particular statement accurate?

    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 01:14 PM PST

    full article
    https://medium.com/@RemixRotation/trade-market-structure-stocks-vs-bitcoin-f81e04aa9d94

    I am most interested in this particular section -- is it sufficiently accurate/illustrative?

    The entire history of all bitcoin creation and changes in ownership is written in one huge "file" floating around the bitcoin mining network. The current ownership of all bitcoin units is recorded in the blockchain "file" and designated with the anonymous ID of its current owner. Each anonymous ID can "react" only to instructions generated & "signed" (mathematically) by its secret crypto key-holder to transfer its holdings to another anonymous ID. Whenever such instructions are received by the members of the ledger maintenance network, they first validate the truthfulness and then make updates to the blockchain.

    Any other feedback is very appreciated.

    Edit: Changed it to:
    The entire history of all bitcoin creation and changes in ownership exists in a huge database "file" (140 GB of data in 2017) duplicated in many locations around the bitcoin mining network. The current ownership of all bitcoin units is recorded in this chain of transaction-blocks and ownership is designated with the pseudonymous ID of each current owner. Each pseudonymous ID's balance can change only based on instructions generated & "signed" (mathematically) by its secret crypto key-holder to transfer its holdings to another pseudonymous ID. Whenever such instructions are received by the members of the ledger maintenance network, they first validate the truthfulness and then make updates to the blockchain.

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    Stupid question, but is it possible for gbtc stock to split?

    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 11:59 AM PST

    Just wondering because I feel like a lot of people are being priced out who want to invest and that many are willing to invest in a smaller share of the stock. I like to buy gbtc every month but now I don't know if I can ever add any more with the stock coming way back down. Is there any other alternative stocks to look at that is cheaper?

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