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    Bitcoin Daily Discussion, June 13, 2021


    Daily Discussion, June 13, 2021

    Posted: 12 Jun 2021 10:08 PM PDT

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    I will never agree nor support a “Bitcoin Mining Council”

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 03:42 AM PDT

    I am sure yall are forgetting the fact that Bitcoin is the world's only DECENTRALISED method of payment. This means that NOBODY has a say in how it is operated or mined.

    We DON'T need a mining or whatever council. This is just yet another attempt by yet another rich person trying to hold influence over Bitcoin. We know the energy use of Bitcoin and it needs no explanation. Either you take it or leave it. The world is messed up because of power plants, cutting of forests, millions of factories and petrol/diesel cars etc not Bitcoin. How about they address that?

    Also, If they don't like the energy of use Bitcoin, why don't they choose one the thousands of other Crypto? I personally think that there is a much bigger worry for them other than energy use…

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    Greg Abbott, Governor of Texas, has long been a crypto supporter. From inviting “the bitcoin community” to his electoral campaign to signing a law today that puts virtual currency under the Texas Uniform Commercial Code to be a secured transaction.

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 06:52 AM PDT

    Texas Banks Can Now Provide Bitcoin Custody Services For Clients

    Posted: 12 Jun 2021 08:51 PM PDT

    [El Salvador] On our best day, we had over 10k off-chain lightning invoices sent to us

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 06:37 AM PDT

    Michael Saylor: "On Wednesday, you are all invited to meet with members of the Bitcoin Mining Council to discuss the latest on Bitcoin Mining, the energy debate, network dynamics, China mining policy, North American mining developments, tech trends & industry outlook".

    Posted: 12 Jun 2021 10:32 PM PDT

    An Open Letter To The Nigerian Government: Pursue A Bitcoin Standard

    Posted: 12 Jun 2021 06:07 PM PDT

    The World is run by Clowns... buy BTC

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 10:22 AM PDT

    Wow. 10 years ago, Bitcoin crashed from $16 to $.01! Imagine buying Bitcoin at $.01?!!!

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 10:15 AM PDT

    Taproot Activation Brings Massive Upgrades To Bitcoin

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 08:45 AM PDT

    FBI stealing safety deposit boxes! This is why I am my own bank.

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 06:44 AM PDT

    Fighting the FUD

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 06:10 AM PDT

    First off, I'm not a Bitcoin maximalist (I am a majority-alist, though).

    I have a background in computer science and finance. I know I'm not the smartest person in most rooms but I feel like I have the ability to grok stuff like cryptocurrency better than the average person (maybe). That being said, it's taken me 4-5 years to really understand Bitcoin and I feel like I still only understand 50% of it. It's one thing to understand the code, it's another to understand money/currency/assets/inflation/etc.

    What's my point? I have two points:

    1. It's really sad to me to see so much FUD against Bitcoin, especially when a lot of it comes from people that are into cryptocurrency. It's one thing to FUD Bitcoin when you are anti-cryptocurrency, but it's extra annoying when it comes from the "inside." If the FUD was simply questions looking for answers then cool, we can help out. But, so many folks seem to be reading bullet points for alt-coins and then saying, "yep, this is better than Bitcoin." Who knows, maybe the altcoin is better, but I'd wager that most folks don't even understand Bitcoin or how money works or has worked throughout history - therefore, how can a person say the alt is better?
    2. As upset as I am about ignorance, I think impatience may do more to hurt Bitcoin than the FUD. To those of us that are pro-Bitcoin - please be patient. Use facts, don't resort to attacks. Honey captures more flies than vinegar. We may never win back those that are dead set against Bitcoin(*), but folks reading your comments may learn something and may be convinced to learn more if they see wisdom and confidence. If an attacker makes a good point against it, admit it. Learn more about Bitcoin and see if it holds its own (it usually does). Don't be cultish. Get smarter everyday and help others grow, too (even if the others are huge a-holes).

    Basically, I wanted to vent but also talk myself into a solution to the irritation.

    (*) Folks against Bitcoin may eventually own it when it becomes the world reserve currency. :)

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    El Salvador - Bitcoin now legal tender - Does it change the taxation of BTC...?

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 04:08 AM PDT

    So BTC is now a legal tender in the country of El Salvador in Middle America...

    My question is: Does this somehow change "globally" bitcoin "tax heavens"...? I mean currently there are ways for people to legally NOT pay taxes on their bitcoin sales - they "just" need to change their tax residency (for 183+ days a year) to a country that does NOT tax bitcoin sales - e.g. - Germany (after 1 year of holding), Singapur, United Arab Emirates, Slovenia, Portugal, Belarus and i think few more...

    The problem is that bitcoin is "just" not taxed in these countries (but is still NOT considered a legal tender in these countries)... You still need to move your tax residency to these countries (that means moving into the country for 183+ days a year and rather moving and staying there like 1 or 2 years) (which is not so easy/convenient ...

    Does the El Salvador situation somehow change how you can legally pay NO taxes on selling your bitcoin...? Im an European BTW, not an American, so keep that in mind (USA has tougher resitrictions on these things). Can i just go to El Salvador for a "holiday" - few days, sell my bitcoin there for USD or EUR and fly right back to my European country with these USD or EUR (sent them via bank transfer rather) and voilà - i dont have to pay any taxes on my sold bitcoin... Not in El Salvador, not even in my home country (because i sold them in El Salvador, wheres its just "normal money" - legal tender...)...

    I got the feeling that its still NOT that easy right...? And i would still need to change my TAX RESIDENCY to El Salvador, correct...?

    If its still not that easy and i would still need to change my tax residency, can someone answer my why...? Its like i would go to El Salvador and in El Salvador i would change my EUR to USD and return to my home country... In this case i would NOT have to pay any taxes on the exchange of EUR to USD, correct...? So why is the situation with BTC different...? From the viewpoint of El Salvador, BTC is money, like USD or EUR etc..? So changing BTC to USD is like chaning EUR to USD...? So why would i have to pay tax in my home country for this operation...(???) Is this because BTC is still considered a TAXABLE "good" (or whatever) in my HOME country...? Is this the catch...? Is this where the problems lies...?

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    An open letter to Senator Warren

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 09:09 AM PDT

    If I want to “retire” in 5 years, how much Bitcoin should I have now.

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 06:58 AM PDT

    Retire is in quotes because I'm in my mid 30's, so what I'm really talking about is financially independence.

    I can live on less than $50k a year. I'm looking to replace that, but not live extravagantly. No Lambos.

    I have other assets like real estate but for the sake of this hypothetical let's assume I don't. How much BTC do I need, and what's my game plan (borrowing against it, etc)?

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    Found in Sevilla

    Posted: 12 Jun 2021 03:46 PM PDT

    Payment pools, a potential Layer Two solution made possible through Taproot, could let groups of bitcoin users share UTXOs and enjoy more privacy.

    Posted: 12 Jun 2021 11:55 PM PDT

    Small time/ town food business owner looking to add crypto/BTC as a form of payment. Any tips or advice on taking crypto as a form of payment?

    Posted: 12 Jun 2021 10:07 PM PDT

    Honestly I'm more impressed with the success of Speedy Trial. We proved we can reach global consensus without rulers!

    Posted: 12 Jun 2021 11:27 PM PDT

    Taproot is awesome, but there will be more upgrades to bitcoin in the future. The fact that we can agree on upgrades globally (unlike in 2017) is freakin amazing!

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    This is GOOD NEWS! China’s bitcoin crackdown: Fourth-largest bitcoin-producing province joins the country’s moves against crypto mining.

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 05:35 AM PDT

    Question for BTC nomads: When you travel, where do you keep your private keys?

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 10:06 AM PDT

    On your person? In a safe deposit box or home vault? Memorized in your head?

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    Where is everybody ?

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 04:47 AM PDT

    Warren Buffet invests $500mn in a bitcoin friendly bank.

    Posted: 13 Jun 2021 10:21 AM PDT

    I am sorry if I am duplicating but I did not see a post talking about this move.

    Pretty much the title, Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway invested $500mn in a Brazilian Digital Bank Nubank. Nubank is almost as big as the Santander Bank.

    This could be the first exposure of his money to crypto favouring institutions. Although technology is not his strong suite, only time will tell if NuBank is forced to change its stance on Btc or does Warren.

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